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Mar. 1st, 2007 @ 06:45 am politics! time to spew your invective
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From:illiterat
Date:March 1st, 2007 05:07 pm (UTC)

Racism or sexism will pick the democrat

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Well I'd assume a democrat, as I think the middle is still pissed at the GOP. So I think it's a choice between Hillary and Obama atm. So everything else being equal, it's a choice between overcomming sexism or racism.

Hillary looks like the big favorite from where I sit. I'm very much in favor of a woman president in the abstract, but I don't think she's the one I'd pick.

I've seen a few people make this claim, but it just isn't supported by the evidence IMO. If you look at the 2005 census data, Black men earn more than white women (they even earn more than white non-hispanic women).

On the voting side makup of congress is close to representative for race and senate is worse, with about a 50% drop from representative. However for gender it's about a 25% drop for both congress and senate.

Both of those data points heavily imply a black man has a much better chance of being elected president than a white woman, IMO.

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From:michaelsullivan
Date:March 2nd, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)

Re: Racism or sexism will pick the democrat

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Some of the gender pay difference is cultural in a way that you might still consider sexist (who says it's the woman's job to sacrifice her career to take care of children), but that doesn't represent discrimination in the particular against individual women. In fact, after controlling for these choices, the pay gap between women and men is now fairly small.

So I don't think the pay gap is all that great evidence. That said, it's hard to spend much time in the modern workplace and not see evidence of sexism all around you. I wonder at the extent of the glass ceiling affect and whether it's been studied directly. The presidency is something of the ultimate bust-through of the glass ceiling.