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Dec. 20th, 2007 @ 04:33 am I'm apparently a "brain doper"
Brain drugs boost try for memory pill

Some quotes in there from paulp. I like someone else's better:

In an article Thursday in the journal Nature, Morein-Zamir and neuroscientist Barbara Sahakian say that clear guidelines are needed. It may be reasonable to ban the drugs in competitive situations, such as taking the SAT.

Imagine watching that one play out. The pee-in-a-cup-for-any-reason-or-no-reason era is nearly upon us.
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From:sparkyr
Date:December 20th, 2007 01:08 pm (UTC)
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Next up: Anyone caught doing any self-improvement whatsoever will be summarily shot so as not to unfairly stigmatize the rest of the lazy sheeple.
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From:roberthart_phd
Date:December 20th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)

Doesn't sound like you are ADD/ADHD

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I was going to relay that I tried it for a while, but found it very unpleasant as it wore off; but then when I reread your post it came across more as casual interest. Not sure how others feel, but for me it is hard to say how these drugs affect "normal" people, since standard stimulants (caffeine) have a decidedly calming effect on me (and, frankly, I can fall asleep after taking Adderall). So where for me the awareness of my condition combined with treatment has been a revelation, I'm not sure that the impact for others would be useful or even positive at all (the revelation in the press that college kids take speed to pull all-nighters is hardly evidence that it produces good effects - other than staying awake).

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From:freelikebeer
Date:January 20th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)

I'd be interested ...

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... to know more about your Adderall experience. I'm 33 and recently diagnosed with ADD (big ah-hah moment... I've done pretty well for myself but I always felt like I left a lot on the table, bada-bing ADD). My doc prescribed Adderall XR and now, at the end of the first week, I've got the warm fuzzy glow of much-less-effort-ful productivity and accomplishment.

I'd like to know roughly how long you've used it, if you've had habituation, and really any other tidbits and observations that you have.

I'll spare you the sordid details, but I also get the calming, relaxing effect from things like caffeine. That's particularly why I'm interested in your observations.
From:roberthart_phd
Date:February 1st, 2008 04:13 pm (UTC)

Re: I'd be interested ...

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It's been about 4 years total, and I tried various things during that time. Plain adderall definitely fits me best (I don't like the XR, like most extended release they are typically strong-weak-strong-blah). I can manage it easily and it wears off in pretty short order as well.

I'm not an everyday user, I go in spurts (usually depending on workload, I vacillate between heavy client interaction/travel and grind it out stats modeling work) and that also seems to work for me. Definitely suppresses the appetite, but I've found I eat much healthier and less in general (and now, at 39, I am actually stable at my ideal weight for the first time in a long time).
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From:freelikebeer
Date:February 1st, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)

Re: I'd be interested ...

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Thanks, I appreciate that.
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From:extempore
Date:December 21st, 2007 03:54 am (UTC)
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I still use it. These drugs seem to affect everyone differently so it's hard to tell you much that's useful. If it wasn't a winner for me, I wouldn't take it. It has no real abuse potential so there's not much downside in trying it, except that it's about $9 a pill and insurance rarely covers it.
From:tahoemph
Date:December 20th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)

don't use drugs..

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on the SAT unless you have filled out these forms to show that you have been shown to have ADD then we will give you extra time and allow you to take your meds.
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From:extempore
Date:December 20th, 2007 06:46 pm (UTC)

Re: don't use drugs..

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And of course federal law requires you see your doctor every three months (at minimum) to obtain those prescriptions. Just a small multi-billion dollar gift to the medical establishment, bought by some of the world's finest lobbyists.
From:tiltmom
Date:December 20th, 2007 10:13 pm (UTC)

Re: don't use drugs..

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Every three months? I want the name of your doctor. I can't get an Adderall scrip for more than a one month supply. And it's illegal for doctors to post-date a scrip. Likewise, docs can't call in any Schedule C scrip to a pharmacy -- I have to see my doc once a month. It's a short visit and a small co-pay, but it still irritates the hell out of me.

Aside, I think their characterization of Inderal as a brain booster is a bit of a stretch. It blocks adrenaline, sure, and they're using it now to treat PTSD. (I take it because it's kept me migraine-free for nearly a year.) But that's not the same as helping one maintain concentration.
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From:extempore
Date:December 21st, 2007 03:51 am (UTC)

Re: don't use drugs..

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I can only get a prescription for a month at a time, but I can get three such prescriptions for each actual doctor appointment (thus, two refills with just a phone call.)

Yeah, I'm not aware of beta blockers offering "brain boosting", but especially in a poker context I often see them lumped in with cognitive enhancers, presumably because they look about the same from a great distance - they're little doodads some people take to improve their results. A lot of people think marijuana and heroin are the same thing too.
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From:meldeiry
Date:December 20th, 2007 11:51 pm (UTC)

SAT students...

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...maybe I'll have to start experimenting on my SAT students. I'll let you know how it goes!

From:mr_funnypants
Date:December 22nd, 2007 04:09 am (UTC)

The athletes are already there

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I can't be certain, but I inferred from the article that its author has not read Game of Shadows. Modafinil was one of Victor Conte's (BALCO) seven essential vitamins and iron. Just about all of his athletes got it, and the book goes into some detail about how much it helped Marion Jones.
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From:extempore
Date:December 22nd, 2007 03:57 pm (UTC)

Re: The athletes are already there

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That's interesting. You make it sound like they took it for the long-term effects. I can understand taking it for short-term performance reasons (i.e. when you're competing) but I don't know why people would take it for training. What reasoning does the book provide?
From:mr_funnypants
Date:December 22nd, 2007 10:44 pm (UTC)

Re: The athletes are already there

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Sorry if I implied that. It was mostly right before an event, but they also used it before training. The book has one story of a track coach giving his runner modafinil for the first time. Conte tells him to have the runner wait at least an hour before he lets him train. 45 minutes later, the athlete is apparently riding the snake and hits the track. He proceeds to knock nearly a second off the time they expected him to run.

But yeah, mostly immediately before the event.